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Milleproroghe approved the decree unconstitutional, prescription compounding

Sull'irrilevanza art. 2 d, paragraph 9 of the draft Law 2518 or the so-called maxi-amendment to the decree Milleproroghe (December 29, 2010 Decree Law number 225) in cases of repetition of 'excess payment for compound interest, interest ultralegali, overdraft charges, currency fictitious and standard costs.

(Att. Adusbef@studiotanza.it Antonio Tanza)

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The bill number 2518, which is the cd maxi-amendment to the decree Milleproroghe (Decree No. 225 December 29, 2010, provocatively named Extension of deadlines set by laws and emergency tax and business support and families), approved by the Senate, with the use of "trust", 16 February 2011, passed by the House (again by use of "trust"), February 25, 2011, again by the Senate February 25, 2011 (due to insignificant changes following the call of the President of the Republic on 22 febbario 2011) contains inter alia, a provision very cryptic: Article 2 d, paragraph 9.

The text reads: "With regard to banking regolate in conto corrente l'articolo 2935 del codice civile si interpreta nel senso che la prescrizione relativa ai diritti nascenti dall'annotazione in conto inizia a decorrere dal giorno dell'annotazione stessa.

In ogni caso non si fa luogo alla restituzione di importi già versati.
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Alla data di entrata in vigore della legge di conversione del presente decreto legge". Non ci vuole molto per capire che anche questo Governo si è dilettato in un ennesimo "salva banche" (in verità il potere bancario non ha colori e gli utenti delle banche ricordano benissimo il "Salva Banche 1" sull'anatocismo, varato D'Alema government, and the "Save Banks 2" on usurious loans, launched by the Amato government): in fact, not even three months have elapsed since the highest expression of Italian courts, the United Sections of the Supreme Court, have finally held on taking action for recovery of amounts relating to apercredito bank, which the government intends to interpret Article 2935 cc of limitation, in respect of regulated banking current account, with three lines added hastily in the late evening Monday, 15 February by a well known Senator of the PDL.
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All this in legislation, which should mainly contain emergency procedures relating to support to enterprises and households: in truth there was in another attempt to give money to the banks, removing families.

There is talk of an attempt, probably because the haste and lack of preparatory work meant that the rule should be introduced to recognize a defined scope and a small space with very different effects than those expected from filobancari: in truth The interpretation of the scope of the limitation on the rights arising from the record into account, can only complement the existing legislation relating to disqualification from contesting the individual items into account.

Immediately clean the area likely to be misunderstandings.

shall begin from the date on which the law can be relied on (Article 2935 Civil Code) and, especially, in the regulated banking account in the limitation of rights arising from the record in account begins from the date of the annotation itself (see Article 2 d, paragraph 9 of the maxi-amendment).
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In this regard it should be noted first that, while the action promoted by the client to the bank to rely on the invalidity of the clause which provides, for example, compound interest is inalienable pursuant to art. 1422 cc, the one proposed by the same customer in the bank, in order to achieve the sums which claims to be paid in quarterly capitalization of interest, is subject to the same principles that govern the application for repayment of overpayment.

Imprescrittibilità action of nullity means that the limitation of rights under the record will never affect your right to legal proceedings aimed at the nullity of contractual clauses originally zero, such that dell'anatocismo (see Article 1283 cc), interest ultralegali "use the streets" or days of currency "fictitious" (Article 1284 Civil Code), etc..
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E 'is also evident that the demand for recovery of the (unfair because it arises from a store null) has a prerequisite: the payment.

If you do not have a payment can not be certain to repeat what has never been paid.

Therefore, the starting point of the right of recovery of the overpayment is the identification of when, in the adjusted current account transactions, the payment occurs, or are paid undue interest and anatocistici ultralegali, undue overdraft charges quarterly undue fictitious currencies and fixed costs.

to this question have answered the SU of the Supreme Court in Case number 24418 of 2 December 2010.
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"If after the conclusion of a contract for the opening of bank credit adjusted current account, the account holder is acting for the nullity of the clause providing for the payment of interests anatocistici and the repetition of what is unduly paid to this title, the year limitation period for recovery in this action is subject to run if the payments made by the current slope of the relationship they had only ripristinatoria function of funding, the date on which it was extinguished the closing balance of the account where interest is not payable were recorded.

Therefore, the joint sections have identified highly-extinction of the closing balance occurs when the payment due and from which arises the right of recovery and, therefore, the time from which the period of limitation, as provided in Article 2935 the Civil Code, with the interpretation imposed by Article 2 d, paragraph 9 of the DDL No 2518/2011, to recovery.

The single record into account, in and of itself considered, affect the ratio only in quantitative terms, but does not create any right of recovery in the hands of the user, because it can never be a charge.
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In addition, for example, the record in regard to a place of interest capitalized (in violation of Article 1283 Civil Code) can never count as a regularization shop originally zero (the Article 1422 Civil Code), is nothing like the contract clause anatocistica.

They can never be valid obligations arising from one shop to zero. Known case in the United Sections also have explained how: "If, however, during the course of the report, the account holder has made not only payments but withdrawals, and then they will be treated as payments, likely to be the subject of repetition (where they are unnecessary), because they had the purpose and effect of a transfer of assets in favor of the bank.

This will happen in the case of payments made into an account in person (or, as in such situations it prefers to say "discovered") which does not access any credit for opening the account holder, or when the payments are intended to cover a deficit in excess of the limits of accreditation. "
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But, to this point, once said that the trust is paying extra fee (if there is always the purpose and effect of a transfer of assets in favor of bank: the payment made by a third party on account of course will never have an end solvers), specifically whether it should be used to cover the debt in principal amount of the account holder ovvero se esso abbia coperto dapprima gli interessi e le spese, solo successivamente il capitale.

Se, da un lato, è pacifico che il debitore non può imputare il pagamento al capitale, piuttosto che agli interessi e alle spese, senza il consenso del creditore (cfr. articolo 1194 codice civile ), è altrettanto pacifico che il creditore, con il tacito assenso del debitore, può imputare il pagamento dapprima al capitale e successivamente agli interessi e alle spese.

Detta scelta del creditore è, ovviamente, irrevocabile.
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Tuttavia, anche qualora fosse revocabile, ai sensi dell'articolo 2 quinquies, comma 9, del DDl numero 2518, il diritto della banca di imputare l'annotazione di versamento del correntista al pagamento di interessi e spese (e non a capitale come, in effetti, avviene in concreto), si prescrive con il decorso di dieci anni dall'imputazione a capitale fatta dalla banca al momento del versamento.

Infatti, è noto, come nel rapporto di conto corrente bancario di corrispondenza è solo la banca a tenere il conto e, pertanto, indipendentemente dall'indicazione del correntista nella distinta di versamento, sarà l'appostazione leggibile in estratto conto a dettare l'imputazione voluta dal creditore, ovvero dalla bank.

In reality, the current account does not ever annotations (by charging the payment to interest and costs), while the bank keeps track of credits or debits effected, exclusively, the variation in numbers of creditors or debtors Related to the total - have.
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Later, at the end of the quarter, with an affected by nullity (an action for nullity is inalienable, as clearly stated in Article 1422 Civil Code) the bank ultralegali capitalizes interest, as notionally increased with the play of currencies, cms and fixed costs are grouped as a capital item (in fact generates additional skills in the following quarter, the so-called "capitalization") that is made in your statement or the quarter under review as the last recording of statement of account or as the first quarter of next.

This operation recording of capital (interest, fees and charges) is affected by nullity original inalienable, detectable even in office (even in the appellate level) and in any case does not constitute payment.

From this annotation does not originate valid rights or obligations, nor the result of no consequence, unless quella di diminuire in forma assolutamente fittizia la disponibilità del correntista.
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Le altre annotazioni in conto, al contrario, hanno un titolo negoziale valido: ad esempio, un versamento in contanti, un versamento di un assegno, oppure l'operazione di prelievo o l'emissione di un assegno in pagamento, ecc.

Nessun diritto soggetto a prescrizione, ai sensi dell'articolo 2 quinquies, comma 9, potrà nascere da un'appostazione che ha origine da un negozio originariamente nullo.

Va chiarito, per inciso, come non abbiano certo valore di annotazione in conto i saldi parziali riportati periodicamente dalla banca (ogni mese, trimestre ed a fine anno) negli estratti conto; così come non ha alcun valore di annotazione il saldo riportato, ad esempio, su una ricevuta bancomat alla fine di un'operazione compiuta dal correntista.

Solo il saldo finale, coincidente con la chiusura del conto e con il pagamento, assume valore di annotazione in conto.Nel corso dell'esame contabile dei c.d. conti extrafido, talora la difesa della banca invoca, per l'incidenza degli accrediti, il disposto dell'articolo 1194 c.c., il cui secondo comma stabilisce un criterio legale d'imputazione dei pagamenti, limitativo del potere del debitore, sancendo che il pagamento sia riferito, in primo luogo, agli interessi.

Tuttavia, la norma richiede l'effettuazione di un "pagamento" di un debito che sia esigibile da parte del creditore (ovviamente l'articolo 1194 c.c nei conti corrente affidati non è neppure prospettabile, non essendovi pagamenti durante il rapporto).

Ciò porta ad escludere che il criterio legale di imputazione valga per quei versamenti o accrediti, non solutori, affluiti su un conto corrente di corrispondenza, con apertura di credito.
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Nel conto corrente bancario i versamenti hanno natura di pagamenti solo quando il conto sia scoperto.

Nell'ipotesi ordinaria del conto corrente affidato la serie successiva di appostazioni (versamenti o prelievi) non danno luogo a singoli rapporti, ma a mere subvariazioni quantitative di un unico rapporto giuridico instaurato dalle parti.Ne deriva che i vari versamenti costituiscono delle mere operazioni contabili di accredito, dirette a ripristinare la provvista.

Essi non hanno finalità solutoria dato che, finché perdura il rapporto, la banca non vanta un credito che sia esigibile verso il correntista.Non trattandosi, pertanto, di pagamenti è fuor di luogo invocare l'articolo 1194 2° comma.

But that does not just apply to "sic et simpliciter" said the legal test of imputazione.Come teaches the Supreme Court on the provisions of the Civil Code on the allocation of payments, for their status to, the prevailing will of the parties.

The intention of the parties, especially the creditor (the bank) also deduced from assumptions (in this case the manner in which the bank carries out the entries made in the current account contract) should be verified with reference at the time of each payment.

It is therefore necessary to invoke the charge that the bank, when flows l'accredito su di un conto che abbia sconfinato, incameri la somma versata per interessi e spese (ovvero la riceva a titolo di pagamento).
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Solo in tale caso, può, ineccepibilmente imputare l'importo prima agli interessi e poi al capitale relativo allo "scoperto", differentemente l'importo andrà imputato indistintamente a capitale, interessi e spese.

Abitualmente, infatti, la banca registra gli accrediti con l'indicazione dei diversi numeri creditori e debitori, sulla cui base calcola gli interessi, senza attuare alcuna distinzione.

Anzi, in most cases, the bank with the application, at least in the past, even for such interest, the lucrative market capitalization periodicals, posters, in how misunderstanding the desire to renounce the application of the legal test of attribution and the effects of such renunciation is irreversible, once to payment (see Dr. Barbara Salvo, President of the Civil Chamber Court in Syracuse, "The engineering consultants on bank interest" in "The Accountant", 2005).
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It follows that the charge of the payment solvers (or part of such payment that exceeds the balance recalculated as purified from monies arising from bonds are zero) will not be paid directly to the interest and expenses (as would the Civil Code Article 1194), but in proportion to the principal, interest and costs, as in fact always operated by the bank during the unfolding of the relationship.

This was the conduct of the bank throughout the relationship that has thus indicated, in facta concludentia, a willingness to waive the application of the legal test of attribution under Article 1194 Civil Code (the same article, the difference will not affect the creditor), by allocating capital contributions, and adding the same capital at quarter-end, interest (inflated by fictitious currencies), expenses and cms.

circumstances, it is clear that the rule on limitation of rights arising from the record into account (Article 2935 Civil cocice) must be read with reference to the rule of forfeiture of rights arising from the failure to contest the entries made in the current account ( Article 1832 Civil Code).
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Consolidated Court has clarified how the SC should not be confused on the contract constituting the required ratio, governed by articles 1284 and 1283 Civil Code, with the single record in that regard , in and of itself, affects only a quantitative level the relationship: in fact, the approval of the account statement makes it understood, solely and exclusively, to debit and credit entries in their accounting practice, but also the effectiveness and validity substantive relationships.

On the issue of bank current account transactions, account statements qualify as communication to the customer on the account balance, these communications are sent by the bank not only to the dissolution of the relationship, but also periodically in contracts, with the reproduction of all accounting items - including the rights commission, the cost of operations, interest income and accrued expenses, withholding taxes, in addition to playing a specific reference to games of give and take, putting the customer in the same condition found any defect incident on the final balance.
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The approval of the account follows the failure to extract a dispute within the time provided by contract, without which the bank is raised any objection of forfeiture, and precludes any dispute on the compliance of individual records from which to derive relationships required credits and debits entered on your statement (subject to the appeal for errors, omissions and duplications of a formal nature, in accordance with paragraph 2 of Article 1832 Civil Code).

With the anticipation of the expiry of the limitation of rights arising decade, both in the hands of the bank to the account on which they are derived from individual records credits and debits are entered in the account statement is probably wished to fill an obvious void that could give rise to the distortions.

For example, since the annotation, the current account, cleverly illegality dell'addebito into account, have the right to act on the nullity of the facts on which that charges is based and, therefore, obtain an adjustment in favor of the findings of the account itself in order to recover a greater availability of credit granted to the extent of the exposure: this right shall lapse from the day dell'appostazione into account.

The same account holder, of course, as said before, can not act at that time for the recovery of a payment that, as such, for its part has not yet taken place (only by closing the account shall, while in the normal way, a payment).

Take, also, for instance the credit advances on bills, advances on invoices, delivered on foreign invoices, etc., if such operations are experiencing the effects of back defaulted or received, there is a right for lenders to claw back the sums advanced.

This right is to be reflected in later times the original annotation (over the period of dispute in the ordinary limitation period of the account statement) with respect to the original date of accreditation, as it is in fact canceled the availability of the credit since principio.Interviene therefore, Article 2935 Civil Code which, with the new interpretation, intends to apply the prescription from the record in anticipation account original, preserving the right of the Institute to receive recognition of advance payment.
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Since the endorsement by the bank for payment of the account to capital is prescribed (provided such a choice made by the bank may be considered to be changed) the right bank that only payment to be charged with interest and costs.

And yet, failure to complain within the extract provided by contract precludes any dispute regarding the conformity of individual records to reports by the user, without requiring that the bank is raised any objection of forfeiture, and was not represented, for example, the inverse hypothesis.

However, perceiving the illegality of the annotation in the bank account, assuming that is not active in the ten years to judicially assert this right, shall incur a requirement of Article 2 d, paragraph 9 the maxi-amendment to milleproroghe.

The authentic interpretation of Article 2935 Civil Code regarding banking transactions settled via current accounts has created a sort of barrier applicable to both parties, and on the vindication of rights arising from each record which results in the crediting or debiting the account statement in writing, contributing to legal certainty.
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Article 2d, paragraph 9, as amended on the evening of February 23, 2011, without prejudice to the amounts already paid on the date of entry into force of the legislation.

For the rest, it is known that the statement is regarded as a mere statement of account, from which it follows that the operations summarized and mentioned it in banking (deposits and withdrawals), unlike ordinary bank account, do not give result in the creation of self-reports or credit mutual tra il cliente e la banca, ma rappresentano l'esecuzione di un unico negozio, da cui deriva il credito o il debito del cliente verso la banca.

Pertanto, la mancata tempestiva contestazione dell'estratto conto trasmesso da una banca al cliente rende inoppugnabili gli accrediti e gli addebiti solo sotto il profilo meramente contabile, ma non sotto quello della validità ed efficacia dei rapporti obbligatori dai quali le partite inserite nel conto derivano. Infatti, le contestazioni di cui all'articolo 1832 codice civile non possono coinvolgere il titolo contrattuale dell'operazione, che è regolata dalle norme generali sui contratti, ma solo la conformità delle singole concrete operazioni ai patti ed alla reality of their condition.

An extract of dispute statement is not specified where it affects the binding nature of the covenant or not a contractual obligation to pay a certain measure of interest, since for that objection is considered necessary to further appeal of the contract itself.
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Thus, the limitation of rights arising from the validity and effectiveness of mandatory reporting, from which the lots included in the income derived therefrom, has a reference point not merely accounting entries , but the contractual relation.

The action was a necessary precondition for recovery: the closure of conto.Solo with the closing of the account you have a payment: before there can be no repetition of action and of course we can not speak of a right which is to materialize, even after thirty years all'appostazione account.

In fact, one can not validly claim that the law is required to repeat a payment made on account with a record dating back to the 70s (on a debit account, not open) and closed in 2009, only in 2009 when it was technically materialized payment.

the date of record will require only and only the rights arising from mere accounting entries, but not those arising from the invalidity original negotiation.

The requirement is the cause for termination resulting from the inactivity of the proprietor for the time determined by law, but in this case the right to refund the amounts formed only with the closure of the current account entrusted person.

Lecce, February 24, 2010 Mr. Antonio Tanza

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